The Vedas aren't as old as perceived in pop-culture.
Below we explore the oldest of the Vedas, the Rigveda, which was only written down around ~500AD.
Rigveda was composed in the North-Western region of the Indian subcontinent, roughly between 1700–1100 B.C.E....
...was preserved with unparalleled fidelity for more than a millennium by oral tradition alone....
...The Rigveda was probably not written down until the Gupta period (fourth to sixth century C.E.).
"The Rigveda's core is accepted to date around the late Bronze Age, making it one of the few examples with an unbroken tradition of nearly two thousand years."
"Writing appears in India around the third century B.C.E. in the form of the Brahmi script, but texts of the length of the Rigveda were likely not written down until much later, the oldest surviving manuscript dating to the eleventh century C.E., while some Rigveda commentaries may date from the second half of the first millennium C.E.."
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/rigveda
What is claimed about the Vedas, is not that they were written between 1200-1700BC; but that they were composed (invented orally) at that point and then passed down orally for the next nearly 2000 years ""perfectly"" until they were finally written down.
An interesting fact is that written script itself didn't appear in India until 300BC.
Below we explore the oldest of the Vedas, the Rigveda, which was only written down around ~500AD.
Rigveda was composed in the North-Western region of the Indian subcontinent, roughly between 1700–1100 B.C.E....
...was preserved with unparalleled fidelity for more than a millennium by oral tradition alone....
...The Rigveda was probably not written down until the Gupta period (fourth to sixth century C.E.).
"The Rigveda's core is accepted to date around the late Bronze Age, making it one of the few examples with an unbroken tradition of nearly two thousand years."
"Writing appears in India around the third century B.C.E. in the form of the Brahmi script, but texts of the length of the Rigveda were likely not written down until much later, the oldest surviving manuscript dating to the eleventh century C.E., while some Rigveda commentaries may date from the second half of the first millennium C.E.."
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/rigveda
What is claimed about the Vedas, is not that they were written between 1200-1700BC; but that they were composed (invented orally) at that point and then passed down orally for the next nearly 2000 years ""perfectly"" until they were finally written down.
An interesting fact is that written script itself didn't appear in India until 300BC.
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JUDEO-PAGAN VALUESInteresting to know that Julian the Apostate only became an enemy to Christians when he began aiding and lifting economic restrictions on Jews 🤔... it's almost like Jews and Christians were archenemies. He even promised to build the Jews a new Jerusalem Temple.
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On Paganism - by Harijawulfaz
1. Many members of the Nationalist community, to this day, adopt "Pagan" beliefs. The cause of this is a rejection of Christianity as weak and foreign, while exalting those characters of Pagan traditions which coincide the most with Nationalist ideas.
2. Paganism is not a revealed religion. It has evolved through thousands of years, in different forms according to different geographic locations. If it is to be dispelled, it must be done with reason, as with any other superstition. For the sake of this document, we will take as a main point of reference Nordic Paganism, as that is the most widespread form of Paganism.
2a. We define superstition thusly: "A belief, or set of beliefs, stemming either from ignorance or from an unrational preference of something to be true, disregarding actual truth."
Pagan Practices
3. Pagans do not have any official religious text, their practices relying entirely on a complex system of oral tradition. Very few documents of these have been transcribed, almost entirely dealing with mythology instead of actual practices.
3a. If the Pagan gods were real, and were in fact able to visit our homes and families at will, nothing explains why their worship has died out in the first place; moreover, nothing explains why there hasn't been a single recorded visit where rituals were given back to the practitioners.
4. These mythologic texts have been transcribed centuries after Christianization of Pagan lands, by Christian monks. They may hardly be regarded as 100% accurate, and belief may only be based on them with complex rationalization.
5. Certain specific practices and uses have indeed survived outside of these texts, especially in extremely rural places, such as putting lavender in the corners of a room or throwing salt over your left shoulder. There is, however, a great doubt that this is nearly enough to reconstruct an entire religion, and a part of them may stem from countryside utilitarianism rather than religion. This makes genuine religious practices almost indiscernible from everyday rural practices.
6. It follows that any systemized practice of adoration must be speculative in origin, and prone to errors, misinterpretation, bias and large gaps due to simple ignorance.
Pagan Ontology
7. There is no unified belief in Pagans regarding ontology, as their own religious texts never touch on it. However, there is a rather sizeable number of Pagans believing gods are not material creatures, but incarnations of aspects of reality.
8. Should gods serve a representative function, the entire idea of basing a religion upon them is animistic. This in itself is in direct contrast with the religious texts, which speak of the gods as living and breathing creatures, intervening in the affairs of men, thus a theistic conception.
9. Intrinsic within animism there is the belief that certain aspects of reality have a divine aspect; however, since no criterion seems to be established as to which aspects are divine and which are not, they may indeed have been chosen arbitrarily.
9a. Worship takes place either to honor or to ask for favors (do ut des).
9b. Should it be to honor reality, we do not see the point in honoring something that is not affected by it; one may appreciate the beauty of a forest, but it seems wholly excessive to sacrifice livestock to the abstract and intangible idea of the forest with the absolute certainty of having changed nothing.
9c. Should it have been, instead, to ask for favors, to prove or disprove paganism would be a mere statistician's game; and should, for example, Islamic prayer prove to have a greater success rate, to Islamize Pagan Europe would have been much easier than to Christianize it.
10. Should Paganism be comprised of both an esoteric and exoteric component, as some would suggest, the esoteric part would be closer to a philosophy than a religion, and thus, depending on what is agreed upon, may even be compatible with Christianity; and the exoteric part would have no reason to exist altogether.
1. Many members of the Nationalist community, to this day, adopt "Pagan" beliefs. The cause of this is a rejection of Christianity as weak and foreign, while exalting those characters of Pagan traditions which coincide the most with Nationalist ideas.
2. Paganism is not a revealed religion. It has evolved through thousands of years, in different forms according to different geographic locations. If it is to be dispelled, it must be done with reason, as with any other superstition. For the sake of this document, we will take as a main point of reference Nordic Paganism, as that is the most widespread form of Paganism.
2a. We define superstition thusly: "A belief, or set of beliefs, stemming either from ignorance or from an unrational preference of something to be true, disregarding actual truth."
Pagan Practices
3. Pagans do not have any official religious text, their practices relying entirely on a complex system of oral tradition. Very few documents of these have been transcribed, almost entirely dealing with mythology instead of actual practices.
3a. If the Pagan gods were real, and were in fact able to visit our homes and families at will, nothing explains why their worship has died out in the first place; moreover, nothing explains why there hasn't been a single recorded visit where rituals were given back to the practitioners.
4. These mythologic texts have been transcribed centuries after Christianization of Pagan lands, by Christian monks. They may hardly be regarded as 100% accurate, and belief may only be based on them with complex rationalization.
5. Certain specific practices and uses have indeed survived outside of these texts, especially in extremely rural places, such as putting lavender in the corners of a room or throwing salt over your left shoulder. There is, however, a great doubt that this is nearly enough to reconstruct an entire religion, and a part of them may stem from countryside utilitarianism rather than religion. This makes genuine religious practices almost indiscernible from everyday rural practices.
6. It follows that any systemized practice of adoration must be speculative in origin, and prone to errors, misinterpretation, bias and large gaps due to simple ignorance.
Pagan Ontology
7. There is no unified belief in Pagans regarding ontology, as their own religious texts never touch on it. However, there is a rather sizeable number of Pagans believing gods are not material creatures, but incarnations of aspects of reality.
8. Should gods serve a representative function, the entire idea of basing a religion upon them is animistic. This in itself is in direct contrast with the religious texts, which speak of the gods as living and breathing creatures, intervening in the affairs of men, thus a theistic conception.
9. Intrinsic within animism there is the belief that certain aspects of reality have a divine aspect; however, since no criterion seems to be established as to which aspects are divine and which are not, they may indeed have been chosen arbitrarily.
9a. Worship takes place either to honor or to ask for favors (do ut des).
9b. Should it be to honor reality, we do not see the point in honoring something that is not affected by it; one may appreciate the beauty of a forest, but it seems wholly excessive to sacrifice livestock to the abstract and intangible idea of the forest with the absolute certainty of having changed nothing.
9c. Should it have been, instead, to ask for favors, to prove or disprove paganism would be a mere statistician's game; and should, for example, Islamic prayer prove to have a greater success rate, to Islamize Pagan Europe would have been much easier than to Christianize it.
10. Should Paganism be comprised of both an esoteric and exoteric component, as some would suggest, the esoteric part would be closer to a philosophy than a religion, and thus, depending on what is agreed upon, may even be compatible with Christianity; and the exoteric part would have no reason to exist altogether.
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Jewish Paganism seems to be growing thanks to a new generation of young rabbis.
https://forward.com/articles/1743/jewish-paganism-oxymoron-or-innovation/
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https://forward.com/articles/1743/jewish-paganism-oxymoron-or-innovation/
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Were the "witch trials" the murder of innocent women by bloodthirsty Christians?
Many of the women killed were feminists that would intrude in the affairs of men, assembling groups of likeminded women to threaten the integrity of their healthy patriarchal societies.
Many were also promiscuous whores, such as Bridget Bishop and even lesbians such as Maud Galt; this kind of behaviour was not desirable nor acceptable.
There were actually witches executed in 1679 for infanticide and child abduction!
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Most witches that were executed were degenerates: lesbians, feminists, kidnappers, baby killers, etc. that got what they deserved.
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Many of the women killed were feminists that would intrude in the affairs of men, assembling groups of likeminded women to threaten the integrity of their healthy patriarchal societies.
Many were also promiscuous whores, such as Bridget Bishop and even lesbians such as Maud Galt; this kind of behaviour was not desirable nor acceptable.
There were actually witches executed in 1679 for infanticide and child abduction!
📃 Source of Information
Most witches that were executed were degenerates: lesbians, feminists, kidnappers, baby killers, etc. that got what they deserved.
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Did you know the Noahide laws permit the practicing of paganism under some circumstances?
Rabbi Maimonides wrote in his extensive volumes of Jewish law that “A Noachide who is forced by another person to violate one of his commandments is permitted to transgress. Even if he is forced to worship false gods, he may worship them. For Noachides are not commanded to sanctify God's name.”
It's also said that a Noahide who worshiped false gods is exempt from punishment.
-Melachim uMilchamot - Chapter 10
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Rabbi Maimonides wrote in his extensive volumes of Jewish law that “A Noachide who is forced by another person to violate one of his commandments is permitted to transgress. Even if he is forced to worship false gods, he may worship them. For Noachides are not commanded to sanctify God's name.”
It's also said that a Noahide who worshiped false gods is exempt from punishment.
-Melachim uMilchamot - Chapter 10
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Two men are behind bars after robbing the graves of veterans for pagan ritualists. Three of the four tombs raided belonged to members of the armed forces.
Lopez, one of the robbers, has been charged with buying, selling and trafficking dead bodies. Pictured above is a shrine he made from the stolen skeletons.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/01/08/florida-men-robbed-graves-of-veterans-because-they-have-stronger-spirits-sheriff-says/
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Lopez, one of the robbers, has been charged with buying, selling and trafficking dead bodies. Pictured above is a shrine he made from the stolen skeletons.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/01/08/florida-men-robbed-graves-of-veterans-because-they-have-stronger-spirits-sheriff-says/
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